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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  Sea Breeze

  

  After these first two judgments for the believer, there are three more for: The Jews, the survivors of the GT , and the unrighteous dead.

  
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  Sea Breeze

  Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our world is based on predation.

  Just for clarification:

  Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our [fallen and cursed] world is based on predation.
  

  
  
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  Sea Breeze

  Seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it. How do you see it?

  It is the destiny of everyone - believer and non-believer alike to be judged. (Hebrews 9: 27) But, they are not all judged at the same place, at the same time, or for the same reason.

  
  Unbelievers and heretics, having rejected the salvation of God for a vicarious death and punishment in Jesus Christ, must then be judged by their own works, having rejected the work of Christ on Calvary Hill. This judgement takes place after the Millennium Reign at the Great White Throne. Here, they will be resurrected and stand trial in their fully integrated body, soul and spirit. This is the "resurrection unto damnation".

  Also written about here: "The rest of the dead did not come to life until after the thousand years were finished".
  
  The righteous dead, with their souls already in heaven will also be fully integrated with their body, soul and spirit in a glorified form... like Jesus had after his resurrection. This is the "resurrection unto life".... also known as the First Resurrection. They will be judged at the Bema Seat Judgement, probably while the Great Tribulation is wrapping up and the last of those sealed are martyred. This judgement doesn't determine salvation. That issue was settled forever at the cross.
  
  The Bema seat judgement, also known as the Judgement Seat of Christ, is for rewards... called crowns in the bible. There are several types of crowns that will be available to believers.

  The idea of a resurrection of people for a second chance in a paradise earth is a complete fiction and is not supported anywhere in the bible. The survivors of the GT who are allowed in will repopulate the earth, not resurrected people.
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  Sea Breeze

  For Christians, it's because Jesus said so:

  Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

  So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
  

  
  Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
  But after that no one dared question Him.

  Everything is based on the Resurrection. A man who has such wisdom and moral character as Jesus AND was raised from the dead is worthy of believing...... especially when compared to all the other options.
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  Kingdom Hall Bomb

  by Dr Jekyll in

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  old news but uncle bruce wanted it dug up.... the guardian.

  22nd july 1985.. man killed in blast.

  at sydney service.. from richard yallop in melbourne.. one man was killed and 70 people were taken to hospital after a bomb exploded yesterday during a jehovah's witnesses service in a kingdom hall in the sydney suburb of lurnea.. the explosion occurred close to the speaker's dais just as mr. david winder, a visiting elder from the sydney suburb of prospect, had begun his address on loyalty to god and the family.

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  @ Parzival

  What is the local consensus on why he did it?
  
  
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  Watchtower/GB use Memorial to do SATAN'S work!

  by BoogerMan in

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  the cult's dogma claims the exodus foreigners were not participants of the law covenant and use it is an antitype to prove the “other sheep” are not participants of the new covenant - wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6. their demonic dogma is then enforced annually via the org's anti-christ ritual - the memorial of christ's death - to compel jw's to reject christ and the new covenant.. deuteronomy 29:10-15 screams “liars” & "offspring of vipers" at the watchtower hierarchy!.

  are jw's too blinded to read and understand the bible for themselves????????????.

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  Good Catch BM:

  Deuteronomy 29:10-15 :

  
  “All of you stand today before the Lord your God: your leaders and your tribes and your elders and your officers, all the men of Israel, 11 your little ones and your wives—also the stranger who is in your camp, from the one who cuts your wood to the one who draws your water— 12 that you may enter into covenant with the Lord your God, and into His oath, which the Lord your God makes with you today, 13 that He may establish you today as a people for Himself, and that He may be God to you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He has sworn to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  14 “I make this covenant and this oath, not with you alone, 15 but with him who stands here with us today before the Lord our God, as well as with him who is not here with us today
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  VH7 - Rev. 5:9 doesn't say the 144k male Jewish virgins are from every kindred and nation?

  "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"

  The 144K are not introduced until Chapter 7.

  Rev. 14 says they (144K are on MT. Zion.) They hear a voice "from heaven" because they are on earth.
  
  What makes you think the 144K are in heaven?
  
  
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
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  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Sea Breeze

  Excellent quotes you dug up there VH7!
  
  It's like they want to be cursed of God. Evil slaves.... every one of them.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  Sea Breeze

  Jehovah's Witnesses are supreme expert liars. This video is just one of many examples on the internet. Everyone seems to act the same when asked questions, they give the same canned answers. They act the exact same when they have had enough. It is downright creepy.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  @ ozziepost: I don't see the problem with letting the bible mean what is says, and say what it means.

  Here are some of the facts about the 144,000 we can know from Scripture:
  
  

  • They are called “the servants of our God” here. (Revelation 7:3)
  • They are sealed for their protection. (Revelation 7:1-3)
  • Their seal is the seal of God, which is the Father's Name written on their foreheads. (Revelation 7:3,14:1)
  • They are taken care of by God for a time, and times and half a time. (Revelation 12:14)
  • The dragon hates them and will seek to destroy them. (Revelation 12:15)
  • They are virgins not defiled with women. (Revelation 14:4a)
  • They are not deceitful and are right before God. (Revelation 14:5)
  • They will be redeemed from among men. (Revelation 14:4)
  • They will be firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (Revelation 14:4)
  • Not only are they Jewish but also true followers of Jesus Christ. (Revelation 7:4,14:4b)
  • They are humans of earth, not sent from heaven or anywhere else.(Revelation 7:2-3,14:4b)

  Remember, the church is not seen or spoken of in Revelation after Chapter 3.